Comments on: Rev. Ann Holmes Redding: Christian and Muslim http://www.pastorblog.com/2007/06/18/rev-ann-holmes-redding-christian-and-muslim/ Keeping You Informed with the Latest Stuff for Pastors Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:01:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: luvGod1st http://www.pastorblog.com/2007/06/18/rev-ann-holmes-redding-christian-and-muslim/#comment-108010 luvGod1st Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:39:38 +0000 http://www.pastorblog.com/2007/06/18/rev-ann-holmes-redding-christian-and-muslim/#comment-108010 Ann and Char, I was raised Anglican (Canada's equivalent of Episcopalian). I also was led to look beyond what was presented to me, to look for truth. My search through many religions' beliefs eventually led me to accepting the Bible, rather than the Anglican version of Christianity. I came to believe in Jesus the way the Bible says. What others said above about that you can not be a Christian and a Muslim at the same time is true. Something I copied on Muhammad vs. Jesus Jesus taught people to repent and correctly practice the faith of Israel and to pray to the God of Israel (YHWH). Muhammad taught people to obey the faith of the pagans and to pray not to the God of Israel (YHWH) but to Allah. Jesus taught to love and forgive one's enemies and to put down the sword. Muhammad taught to attack, kill and torture his enemies. Jesus healed anyone who came to him and gave life to the dead. Muhammad healed no one but took away people's lives. Jesus' words shortly before dying: "Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they do". Muhammad's words before death-"KILL the Jews and Christians..." Ann and Char, I was raised Anglican (Canada’s equivalent of Episcopalian). I also was led to look beyond what was presented to me, to look for truth. My search through many religions’ beliefs eventually led me to accepting the Bible, rather than the Anglican version of Christianity. I came to believe in Jesus the way the Bible says. What others said above about that you can not be a Christian and a Muslim at the same time is true. Something I copied on Muhammad vs. Jesus

Jesus taught people to repent and correctly practice the faith of Israel and to pray to the God of Israel (YHWH).
Muhammad taught people to obey the faith of the pagans and to pray not to the God of Israel (YHWH) but to Allah.

Jesus taught to love and forgive one’s enemies and to put down the sword.
Muhammad taught to attack, kill and torture his enemies.

Jesus healed anyone who came to him and gave life to the dead.
Muhammad healed no one but took away people’s lives.

Jesus’ words shortly before dying: “Father, forgive them, for they don’t know what they do”.
Muhammad’s words before death-”KILL the Jews and Christians…”

]]> By: wake up people http://www.pastorblog.com/2007/06/18/rev-ann-holmes-redding-christian-and-muslim/#comment-102352 wake up people Wed, 05 Aug 2009 00:47:23 +0000 http://www.pastorblog.com/2007/06/18/rev-ann-holmes-redding-christian-and-muslim/#comment-102352 You cannot be both a christian & a follower of islam.I repeat YOU CANNOT BE BOTH A CHRISTIAN & A FOLLOWER OF ISLAM.Jesus preached love & compassion.He preached for you to love your neighbor as you would yourself.He preached to turn the other cheek....The religion of Islam preachs that the best act for you to in the name of Alah is to die in holy war.It is not a religion.It is a deadly cult,it is of pure evil.to say that jesus and muhamad(sic) serve the same god is crazy.muhamad was a thief,mass murder,sadistic,pedephil,rapist,vile and sick pervert.a person would have to be brain damaged to believe in any book that says that the sun sets in a mud puddle and that it is ok to marry a 6 year old kid & be able to have sex with her at the age of 9...that is not the work of a prophet but of a pervert. You cannot be both a christian & a follower of islam.I repeat YOU CANNOT BE BOTH A CHRISTIAN & A FOLLOWER OF ISLAM.Jesus preached love & compassion.He preached for you to love your neighbor as you would yourself.He preached to turn the other cheek….The religion of Islam preachs that the best act for you to in the name of Alah is to die in holy war.It is not a religion.It is a deadly cult,it is of pure evil.to say that jesus and muhamad(sic) serve the same god is crazy.muhamad was a thief,mass murder,sadistic,pedephil,rapist,vile and sick pervert.a person would have to be brain damaged to believe in any book that says that the sun sets in a mud puddle and that it is ok to marry a 6 year old kid & be able to have sex with her at the age of 9…that is not the work of a prophet but of a pervert.

]]> By: Char http://www.pastorblog.com/2007/06/18/rev-ann-holmes-redding-christian-and-muslim/#comment-102095 Char Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:25:19 +0000 http://www.pastorblog.com/2007/06/18/rev-ann-holmes-redding-christian-and-muslim/#comment-102095 I have been trying to find a an email for Ann, but I hope she reads this. I am an Episcopalian and am quite disturbed that the canons of our church are defined so narrowly. I totally support your move and am deeply saddened that you had to be defrocked in order to practice both faiths. I see you symbolically standing in the heart of Jerusalem bringing both Islam and Christianity together. I have deep empathy for your situation. God and Allah go with you! I have been trying to find a an email for Ann, but I hope she reads this. I am an Episcopalian and am quite disturbed that the canons of our church are defined so narrowly. I totally support your move and am deeply saddened that you had to be defrocked in order to practice both faiths. I see you symbolically standing in the heart of Jerusalem bringing both Islam and Christianity together. I have deep empathy for your situation. God and Allah go with you!

]]> By: Skywalker http://www.pastorblog.com/2007/06/18/rev-ann-holmes-redding-christian-and-muslim/#comment-101679 Skywalker Tue, 28 Jul 2009 06:25:10 +0000 http://www.pastorblog.com/2007/06/18/rev-ann-holmes-redding-christian-and-muslim/#comment-101679 I was compelled by this story because this beautiful-spirited woman chose courage to follow where she was being led. She is doing what is right for her, we would do well to support her whether we agree with the theology babble or not. God's got her covered, He's not surprised by any of this. May her spiritual journey continue to unfold openly like a garden in spring. Embrace this moment in time. I think her heart and soul are beautiful, and that means more to me than what a person believes, who they bow down to. Ann, you are loved. Your heart, spirit, and soul precede you and the warmth you radiate lights this darkened world. Listen to God, to your heart, you know what is right for you. I trust your discretion. You are beautiful. You are loved. You are precious! I was compelled by this story because this beautiful-spirited woman chose courage to follow where she was being led.

She is doing what is right for her, we would do well to support her whether we agree with the theology babble or not. God’s got her covered, He’s not surprised by any of this. May her spiritual journey continue to unfold openly like a garden in spring. Embrace this moment in time.

I think her heart and soul are beautiful, and that means more to me than what a person believes, who they bow down to.

Ann, you are loved. Your heart, spirit, and soul precede you and the warmth you radiate lights this darkened world. Listen to God, to your heart, you know what is right for you. I trust your discretion.

You are beautiful. You are loved. You are precious!

]]> By: Adnan http://www.pastorblog.com/2007/06/18/rev-ann-holmes-redding-christian-and-muslim/#comment-101669 Adnan Tue, 28 Jul 2009 04:54:26 +0000 http://www.pastorblog.com/2007/06/18/rev-ann-holmes-redding-christian-and-muslim/#comment-101669 I would like to thank you for sharing your experience with us all. It takes courage and you are very courageous. Would like to invite you to come and give a talk to us all in California. How do I invite you? I would like to thank you for sharing your experience with us all. It takes courage and you are very courageous. Would like to invite you to come and give a talk to us all in California. How do I invite you?

]]> By: Galya http://www.pastorblog.com/2007/06/18/rev-ann-holmes-redding-christian-and-muslim/#comment-87349 Galya Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:40:11 +0000 http://www.pastorblog.com/2007/06/18/rev-ann-holmes-redding-christian-and-muslim/#comment-87349 Dear All, I believe that there is only one God out there for everyone - Muslims, Christians, Jews and even for atheists. The concept of God is beyond our exact understanding, as we are limited in our comprehension of spiritual matters. Thus, we have various teachings, which are influenced by our own human limited interpretations and endless discussions about the differences in religions and which one is truer. The core of the matter is that living in faith means bridging the gap that separates people from each other. And differences in religions do create separation, barriers and judgement. I admire Ann in her effort to close the gap between people and to bring to our attention the core of faith and spirituality - to love each other and not to judge. I admire it even more given her official position and the amount of criticism and misunderstanding she encountered from both side. I hope that one day we will have one faith for everyone and this will not separate us anymore. And since God is one - I think God is hearing Ann well both in her Christian and Muslims prayers and does not judge and notice the difference. Dear All,

I believe that there is only one God out there for everyone - Muslims, Christians, Jews and even for atheists.

The concept of God is beyond our exact understanding, as we are limited in our comprehension of spiritual matters. Thus, we have various teachings, which are influenced by our own human limited interpretations and endless discussions about the differences in religions and which one is truer.

The core of the matter is that living in faith means bridging the gap that separates people from each other. And differences in religions do create separation, barriers and judgement.

I admire Ann in her effort to close the gap between people and to bring to our attention the core of faith and spirituality - to love each other and not to judge. I admire it even more given her official position and the amount of criticism and misunderstanding she encountered from both side.

I hope that one day we will have one faith for everyone and this will not separate us anymore.

And since God is one - I think God is hearing Ann well both in her Christian and Muslims prayers and does not judge and notice the difference.

]]> By: gil http://www.pastorblog.com/2007/06/18/rev-ann-holmes-redding-christian-and-muslim/#comment-87348 gil Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:04:56 +0000 http://www.pastorblog.com/2007/06/18/rev-ann-holmes-redding-christian-and-muslim/#comment-87348 Rev. Takis, thank you for your love of Christ! I too understand a simple principal that Jesus IS the Son of God. To accept allah and muhammed is to reject Christ. Only man in his own mind can accept both. The Bible and, indeed, Christ, Himself, do not offer that option. "I am the Way, the Truth, and Life. No one comes unto the Father but by Me"......I didn't make that up...it's the very words of Christ Himself. Rev. Takis, thank you for your love of Christ! I too understand a simple principal that Jesus IS the Son of God.
To accept allah and muhammed is to reject Christ. Only man in his own mind can accept both. The Bible and, indeed, Christ, Himself, do not offer that option. “I am the Way, the Truth, and Life. No one comes unto the Father but by Me”……I didn’t make that up…it’s the very words of Christ Himself.

]]> By: T http://www.pastorblog.com/2007/06/18/rev-ann-holmes-redding-christian-and-muslim/#comment-87330 T Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:23:33 +0000 http://www.pastorblog.com/2007/06/18/rev-ann-holmes-redding-christian-and-muslim/#comment-87330 J, John was just a man who had his opinions, another Pharisee, and this man was probably not one of Jesus' twelve apostles; this is according to modern academia and basic logic being used while reading and comparing his supposed three books (the Epistles, the Gospel, and Revelation). For such a supposedly spiritual, noble, and enlightened man you display the terrible sin of vanity in thinking you know who these people are ("they are dead in their sins"), and thinking that YOU are correct. Are you God? Takis, I appreciate your spirit of debate and your devotion. I was saddened to see this conversation between you and David end so abruptly. I would urge you two to continue. Both of you make good points, you two should realize this. Let's make this a better conversation of two or more minds, let's answer each others points and questions instead of talk past each other as you all have at one time or another. The Bible, like the Qur'an, and God, like Allah, have their origins as well. Who is it? YHWH, Jehovah, Elohim...? There are many names of God in the Bible and some were ancient "pagan" gods (El, Elohim, Enlil, not to mention the name GOD gives Itself "I am what I am"). A passage in the bible (Exodus 15:1-22) is a plagiarized poem to a Canaanite god. There are numerous contradictions, more than one creation story, etc. These are all facts, look in the Bible and other literature. Therefore, if it is the Word of God, then apparent contradictions such as being Christian and Muslim are acceptable because it is a reflection of the beautiful confusion that even God is. If it is not, well...then the Bible is not an ABSOLUTE authoritative text. And I am not saying it is not an authoritative text. If any of this is not understandable I would like to quote J (not one of the nicknames for one of the Biblical authors by the way): "Men and women... cannot understand a thing you write to them, They have not been born again... They follow their own hearts and judge by their own carnal experiences. Superstition is the closest they will ever get to spirituality so long as they remain dead. Pray that God changes their hearts." Takis, what other paths have you seen or trod upon? Remember, "You cannot judge what you do not know. You cannot have an opinion of what you have not tasted." David, couldn't this concept of "history" be an elaborate ruse by a playful God? J and richee, could you ever be wrong? If so, why not now? Show me proof. And what of David is wrong...did God not give us brains? Is that for a reason or not? Should we not use them? J, John was just a man who had his opinions, another Pharisee, and this man was probably not one of Jesus’ twelve apostles; this is according to modern academia and basic logic being used while reading and comparing his supposed three books (the Epistles, the Gospel, and Revelation). For such a supposedly spiritual, noble, and enlightened man you display the terrible sin of vanity in thinking you know who these people are (”they are dead in their sins”), and thinking that YOU are correct. Are you God?

Takis, I appreciate your spirit of debate and your devotion. I was saddened to see this conversation between you and David end so abruptly. I would urge you two to continue. Both of you make good points, you two should realize this. Let’s make this a better conversation of two or more minds, let’s answer each others points and questions instead of talk past each other as you all have at one time or another.

The Bible, like the Qur’an, and God, like Allah, have their origins as well. Who is it? YHWH, Jehovah, Elohim…? There are many names of God in the Bible and some were ancient “pagan” gods (El, Elohim, Enlil, not to mention the name GOD gives Itself “I am what I am”). A passage in the bible (Exodus 15:1-22) is a plagiarized poem to a Canaanite god. There are numerous contradictions, more than one creation story, etc. These are all facts, look in the Bible and other literature. Therefore, if it is the Word of God, then apparent contradictions such as being Christian and Muslim are acceptable because it is a reflection of the beautiful confusion that even God is. If it is not, well…then the Bible is not an ABSOLUTE authoritative text. And I am not saying it is not an authoritative text.

If any of this is not understandable I would like to quote J (not one of the nicknames for one of the Biblical authors by the way):

“Men and women… cannot understand a thing you write to them, They have not been born again… They follow their own hearts and judge by their own carnal experiences. Superstition is the closest they will ever get to spirituality so long as they remain dead. Pray that God changes their hearts.”

Takis, what other paths have you seen or trod upon? Remember, “You cannot judge what you do not know. You cannot have an opinion of what you have not tasted.” David, couldn’t this concept of “history” be an elaborate ruse by a playful God?

J and richee, could you ever be wrong? If so, why not now? Show me proof. And what of David is wrong…did God not give us brains? Is that for a reason or not? Should we not use them?

]]> By: Mark http://www.pastorblog.com/2007/06/18/rev-ann-holmes-redding-christian-and-muslim/#comment-87327 Mark Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:26:15 +0000 http://www.pastorblog.com/2007/06/18/rev-ann-holmes-redding-christian-and-muslim/#comment-87327 Let us not forget The Nicene Creed where Constantine basically implemented the ideology of Trinity. I have read no line in the Bible which confirms that Jesus was God, God's son and the Holy spirit. The trinity idea is a copy of Pagan Ideas. Please research Horus. Let us not forget The Nicene Creed where Constantine basically implemented the ideology of Trinity. I have read no line in the Bible which confirms that Jesus was God, God’s son and the Holy spirit. The trinity idea is a copy of Pagan Ideas. Please research Horus.

]]> By: Jim McBee http://www.pastorblog.com/2007/06/18/rev-ann-holmes-redding-christian-and-muslim/#comment-87321 Jim McBee Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:52:51 +0000 http://www.pastorblog.com/2007/06/18/rev-ann-holmes-redding-christian-and-muslim/#comment-87321 Ann: I support you in your search for a larger understanding of God. I believe the message is all about love and the return to love. If you are assisted in your search by both Christianity and Islam that's wonderful. God bless you and give you strength. Jim McBee Ann:

I support you in your search for a larger understanding of God. I believe the message is all about love and the return to love. If you are assisted in your search by both Christianity and Islam that’s wonderful. God bless you and give you strength.

Jim McBee

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